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 | Dreena |
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I was flying around today and visiting other areas on the main grid. It's so open and 'new' looking that I sat there for the longest time just staring off at the little homes and such that are coming into its own out there.
Now the hard question to ask...and forgive me I am not trying to offend anyone - I just really want to know -
Will all this beauty eventually come crashing down around my ears one day into a huge pile of ad farms, greedy land barons, malls, strip clubs, whore houses, horrendous lag, a multitude of skyboxes filling the sky and boats filling the water? If yes, I'd really like to know now so that I can steel myself for the apocalypse that is to come.
And if not, then I'd like to know how we could possibly prevent that from happening.
Thank you much, and no, I'm not 'trawling' here for those that may think I am, I'm just asking what I'm pretty sure are on the minds of many of us Pioneers.
Pfft...yah...ok...if you say so. |
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Openlife will stay as it is as long as no currency exchange is possible. Once that feature is implemented, all your fears will come true. Of course, I get flamed for saying stuff like that, but only by greedy people whose only goal in the virtual universe is to make a quick buck.
Go visit Nara. I don't build to make a profit. Meditating Avatar
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 | Danny |
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Pratyeka your spot on with this one, and I'm trying not to judge anyone. I think most of the people with land have entered openlife with the intention of creating a community as oppose to making money however as you say when Openlife approaches the success of SL it will be hard for people with prime land myself included to refrain from throwing huge mall's up and filling the sky's with squadron's of Zeplin skyboxes. I aint saying this is wrong but it's what made me look for something else other than SL. |
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 | Petrol |
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No, i don't think so. Even when currency exchange arrives, it simply won't happen, not at the magnitude of SL. The main flaw with SecondLife is that Linden Labs is constricting everyone with artificially high land prices and not enough space. If one is capable of hosting a sim on their own servers, it will be in their interest to make their sims as friendly and beautiful as possible to attract visitors. There will be a lot less money going down the drain, prices will change back to their true value. The price for my 10GB webhosting for example sums up to 40$ per year, which is more than enough for hosting a sim, or maybe two. That way you wont have to satisfy yourself with a ridiculous congested chunk of land when you can have a whole sim.
One of the main flaws of capitalism is the monopoly a corporation can have over the market, just look at Microsoft. I say it's time LindenLabs took a back seat and let the technology evolve on its own. |
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| Petrol wrote
No, i don't think so. Even when currency exchange arrives, it simply won't happen, not at the magnitude of SL. The main flaw with SecondLife is that Linden Labs is constricting everyone with artificially high land prices and not enough space. If one is capable of hosting a sim on their own servers, it will be in their interest to make their sims as friendly and beautiful as possible to attract visitors. There will be a lot less money going down the drain, prices will change back to their true value. The price for my 10GB webhosting for example sums up to 40$ per year, which is more than enough for hosting a sim, or maybe two. That way you wont have to satisfy yourself with a ridiculous congested chunk of land when you can have a whole sim.
One of the main flaws of capitalism is the monopoly a corporation can have over the market, just look at Microsoft. I say it's time LindenLabs took a back seat and let the technology evolve on its own.
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Trouble with that petrol is a server can host hundreds or thousands of websites but only a few sims. Say you can fit ten sims on a box, divide by cost and you get a lot more to run per year. 1 tenth of total cost...Much more. Working towards a red dot.
It's all I have for now.
[and no, I couldn't just leave] |
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 | Petrol |
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Yeah, that is true, but it's still a lot less than what LL offers. Many people would be satisfied with 30-40$ per month for a sim, and it would be even better for those already running their own servers. A dedicated server from my webhosting company costs 930$ per year. That is for an AMD Opteron 275 (4-cpu) 16GB DDR machine with 4x320 GB HDD's for storage. Lets say it's running 4 sims instead of 10 (2.2Ghz Opteron processor, 320Gb hdd and 4GB ram per sim, ideally ), that makes the yearly cost of a sim 233$, or 20$ a month. In contrast, for the same money, you get 4096sqm from LindenLabs...
Currently there are many "virtual realestate" companies in SL but the prices are more or less the same, because LL always has the final word on how much a sim costs. Plus as computers become more powerful it would be possible to run more and more sims on a single machine, and owning vast chunks of land, unpolluted by ads should be more realistic. |
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 | Danny |
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I've done a mainland flyover, and there's already quite a few places set up for business rent and this is before currency and any volume of people are inworld and lets be realistic everyone is going to be interested in getting some revenue from their land how far it will go we'll have to see.
There's also a limit to the number of way's to attract people to your land, I don't think well landscaped beautifull sims alone cut it, unfortunately from experience in SL all the nicest most picturesque places are empty because everyone's either shopping or ****ing.
I sincerily hope that collectively the foundation residents are clever enough and strong enough to shape things differently than SL. |
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 | Dreena |
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I for one refuse to buy land on the mainland in SL. I purchased my own region and there is no way that I'd clutter up my land just so that people notice my property more than others. It is possible to have vendors and attract people without all the clutter of spinning ads, rotating lights, huge rediculous signs and everything else that makes one person stand out more than another. But I guess it's easier and cheaper to put obnoxious stuff on your land to get attention than to pay for advertising. Pfft...yah...ok...if you say so. |
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 | Galen |
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Hi Dreena,
your fears are quite understandable... and as far as i can see, they will become true. Look around and you see all the greed in the world. People don't even stop to kill RL mother earth in the name of profit. So why should they behave different in virtuality?
But i think you will always find beautiful regions of altruism here in OL. Pratyeka mentioned it, and i also have a few regions that will stay strictly non commercial, only for the beauty of it (you are always welcome to visit Parlay and Vendres and enjoy :-).
Since OL is much cheaper than SL, some people can afford regions for pure enjoyment. At least, thats my hope as a foundation resident....
Love and light
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 | Dreena |
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Hi Galen,
Heh - true about our Mother Earth, but - maybe there is hope for OL since we all know what *not* to be like.
Ayawaste' ota ye~
Dreena Pfft...yah...ok...if you say so. |
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I'd like to throw my two cents in here since I am about to become a region owner. I'm hoping to connect with a community that ABSOLUTELY doesn't tolerate adfarms and money mongers. Making money in Second Life turned into individuals looking for ways to work out of their house and make easy money, all be it a pittance for most.
"Hey. I know. Let's buy 5 boxes and create 10 avatars that camp twenty four hours a day."
I was completely let down in the first few weeks of Second Life (that was 2006 for me) when I bought my first little 512 and had to deal with my neighbors ugly adfarm and particle generator that emitted rain over one corner of my land. Helpless.
Keep it clean and OpenLife will see a VERY prosperous future from organizations looking for cleanliness. Join me in Petrona region.
Petrona Teaching Center
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Meet us Thursdays at 12:00 PM GMT
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You make a good point. I have been a region owner (Hazel) for about a month now, and my neighbor has really built up his/her region space (which is fine, it's a free grid), but I've elected to just palm tree mine for now. I'm more interesting in community building so I'm working on a modest plan that will help focus less on the building and commerce (or lack thereof) and more of having a context (e.g. place) where people can meet and exchange ideas. |
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 | Vryl |
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Professor Merryman,
and everyone else.. Although I completely understand the fears, there is really no reason to attack commercialism. This "easy" money you speak of is not as easy as one would think. I happen to be one of those people working at home. I do not consider myself to be "greedy" nor a money monger.
That's absolutely fantastic for those of you who do not need to work or who have the luxury of having a decent well paying job outside the realms of virtual reality.. but please do not knock those of us who do not.
As for keeping "it" clean and beautiful, that is in the eye of the beholder. What is one man's trash is another's treasure.
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| Vryl wrote
What is one man's trash is another's treasure.
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Trash is trash, it only becomes a treasure when commercial interest succeeds in repackaging it and resell it through endless infomercials at 3am...
Commerce is a necessary evil only where money exchange is the foundation of society. It creates a dependance on units of exchange whose value is artificial and subject to speculation.
Trade of goods on the other hand is based on concrete immediate needs ( I need a 10 carrots, will you trade a bucket of wheat for them?).
Commercial success is dependent upon advertisement, and unsolicited advertisement in any form is spam, therefore annoying and abusive. Don't shove your product in my face, if I need something, I will look for it.
Whatever... Meditating Avatar
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 | Vryl |
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| Pratyeka Muromachi wrote
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What is one man's trash is another's treasure.
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Trash is trash, it only becomes a treasure when commercial interest succeeds in repackaging it and resell it through endless infomercials at 3am...
Commerce is a necessary evil only where money exchange is the foundation of society. It creates a dependance on units of exchange whose value is artificial and subject to speculation.
Trade of goods on the other hand is based on concrete immediate needs ( I need a 10 carrots, will you trade a bucket of wheat for them?).
Commercial success is dependent upon advertisement, and unsolicited advertisement in any form is spam, therefore annoying and abusive. Don't shove your product in my face, if I need something, I will look for it.
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Yes, that's all good and well but unfortunately to the dismay of Sir Thomas More and his followers to come, there could never be such a thing as a Utopian society. As much I personally like the Lennon song "Imagine", I am realistic enough to know that such a world can never exist, not even in virtual reality. Bartering is all nice and fine but at the end of the day, that is not how most pay their bills, including the ability to communicate as we are. Of course, none of us would have known about SL or Open Life and many other programs online and off without having seen the advertisement ourselves or by a freind who told us and they saw it and so on. Decent advertisements are certainly not the same as adfarms.
For some reason, I think you probably know all of this and maybe just maybe you may like to get a reaction from people as you sit back at the pc with a big smile on your face... hehe.
Have some Mint Julep Tea. :-) |
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So Vryl you say all this and then spam our forums with 5 duplicate posts advertising your wears a very Dumb attitude and has done a great deal to show what you see as an add farm and advertising
Bad idea bad idea carry on and we will pull your rights to post here completely over the top what you have done |
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| Gitfinger wrote
So Vryl you say all this and then spam our forums with 5 duplicate posts advertising your wears a very Dumb attitude and has done a great deal to show what you see as an add farm and advertising
Bad idea bad idea carry on and we will pull your rights to post here completely over the top what you have done
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lol .. yes so true I have spammed the forums and I have also reported the spam, too. :-) This happened purely by mistake... eek, so sorry. It is not 5 duplicate posts but 4.... still, it is 3 more than I wanted. :-)
As for calling me "dumb", isn't there a nicer way to address issues rather than direct personal attacks and name calling? Manners please. Thanks. :-)
And "who" will pull my rights? "You" ? :-)
If you want to know about my opinions concerning adfarms before you hastely insult me, attack me, threaten me and judge me as you have.. please do read this first: http://www.slnn.com/article/big-paw-paw/
Have a nice day. |
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in the words of Oscar wild :
To lose one parent may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness.
to spam 5 times in so called Error is dumb so take as you will if you take it personaly then you are in Error i take it . |
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here goes the neighborhood...
I mentioned "unsollicited advertising" but you seem not to understand that ALL advertising is by nature unsollicited by those who get to be bombarded by them everywhere they look, anything they listen to... Expound you ideas all you want, nobody is paying attention, you have made your intentions clear. Meditating Avatar
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